Curt Cronin (00:00)
Welcome to Making the Impossible Inevitable podcast. This show's for those who see progress as a calling, not just a choice hosted by former Navy SEAL and transformational guide, Curt Cronin. Each episode explores the mindset strategies and stories of extraordinary leaders who've turned the impossible into reality. These episodes are more than just conversations. They're a challenge to you to expand your capacity, shatter inner limitations and lead with unshakable purpose together.
Let's make the impossible inevitable.
Curt Cronin (00:36)
Welcome to the Impossible to Inevitable podcast, where we decode how visionaries engineer the improbable to the inevitable. Today's guest stands on the sidelines, yet his fingerprints are all over the scoreboard. For over three decades, Bill Lazor has been quietly orchestrating moments of brilliance that define Sunday heroes and Monday headlines alike. Bill's journey threads from the Ivy League fields of Cornell to the charged stadiums in the NFL, where he's earned a reputation as a true quarterback whisperer, and offensive architect. But what makes Bill extraordinary isn't just his football IQ.
It's the deeper courage he carries, the steady calm to trust in chaos, the relentless curiosity behind the hidden openings in a defense, and the moral clarity to shape young men, not just into better athletes, but into better humans. In this conversation, we unpack what it really means to lead high talent, high pressure teams when every decision is scrutinized by millions and every play could be the one that tips the season. We explore how Bill transforms complexity into clarity, how he models loyalty in a business notorious for turnover.
and why the most crucial battles don't happen under stadium lights, but within the hidden corners of a coach's own home. Whether you're a leader trying to unite diverse personalities, a parent wondering how to show up fully for your family, or simply someone looking to master the art of calm execution under fire, Bill's story is an instruction manual for turning adversity into advantage. So grab a seat. This isn't just about football. It's about the discipline of seeing what's possible and the courage to call the play anyway. Let's get into it.
Curt Cronin (02:00)
Good morning, welcome to the Impossible to Inevitable podcast I'm ecstatic for today's session. I'm with one of my heroes and friends and mentors, Bill Lazor. I first met Bill around 2012, I believe, at the Miami Dolphins facility. He was the offensive coordinator at the time and absolutely experienced him as larger than life force of nature. And it was amazing to see. to me is so magical because number one,
the offense and defense are on the same team, but they're so specialized. They're never actually on the field at the same time. And so they're a team, but they're this unbelievable divergent group. And then when you look at the offense, it's fascinating because you have the commanding quarterback. was both a star in college and has ⁓ often been known as the quarterback whisperer and his aid to ⁓ leaders leading. The offensive line, very different, like none shall pass. The wide receivers and the
running backs, all the different personas, the tight ends that are a mix between the two that requires very different leadership for every one of them. And I know we're both parents and so it's been fascinating. I now know every week I come home, my five kids, each of them, if I try and use the same tool, it's completely different. But Bella's blown away at seeing what went into the play calling, which even observing for a year and a half, you know, the sophistication of
every single play and every single nuance of your adapting to try and deceive the defense and knowing what you're going to do and so much complexity and excitement. So epic to invite you to the show, sir.
Bill Lazor (03:33)
Thanks, Curt. ⁓ I'm excited to be here. I'm excited because it's really an exciting time, I think.
I'm also a little bit nervous because I as I thought about coming on, ⁓ I realized by nature I really don't like letting people in that far. I think part of that is some of the things you experience when you're in this kind of role and what can happen to you publicly and to your family. So it's a little bit ⁓ of a dichotomy, but let's...
grab onto the exciting part of it and let's go that way.
Curt Cronin (04:13)
And it's amazing because to me, it's intimately exposed what you and your coaching staff do every single Sunday, right? Because it really is, for me, was that helicopter. when I boarded the helicopter in the SEALs and give that head nod, and that head nod means my life and yours and yours and mine. And you create that coherent field. I remember one of my favorite moments in my time with you at the Dolphins was the team just scored this incredible touchdown. And the
offensive tackle at the time ran off the field. like, I told you I'd block for you. And he was just this huge mountain of a man. And he, and he had said, like, I made a commitment to you. And then it didn't matter if all 11 members of the defense had lined up. He's like, I'm going to the end zone for my coach that day. And that was one of those moments where you can just feel like the, that difference when they, when they feel is in a team's inflow and then when they're now making the impossible the inevitable. But I would love
any of those experiences for you that come up that can help the people to understand. I remember my first day I walked in and you said, hey, you're going to find it's pretty fascinating when you're on the field watching, especially the old style kickoffs. guess it's different now, but where you'd see 22 men rushing toward each other, both completely committed to help their team win.
Bill Lazor (05:33)
Yeah, remember we hired ⁓ Wayne Diesel from, he'd been rugby in South Africa and then English soccer for a long time. I remember his first day being with us in Miami, he was standing on the sideline for a game. And afterwards I asked him, well, what did you think?
He said, I can't believe how much triage there was, you know, the blood and the stitches and stuff. ⁓ when you, I mean, I think in football, if we start with football and we talk about what was impossible that became inevitable, to me, there's so many little ones that happen constantly because I've just been so blessed in my life. And in football, I guess I would start with coaching at Cornell, my alma mater.
I coached there my first seven years in coaching. And there's so much great about playing football in the Ivy League. Obviously, you're getting a great education. My son is doing it now. But I remember thinking, man, there's this whole wide world of football out there, and I'm stuck here. You don't get big fans. It's not the pageantry of some other.
big time college football of the NFL. I just felt like I was stuck. I remember being in the in the coaches box in the press box looking at the field and looking at the stands and walking out and looking out at the back end of the press box and seeing the line of students from the freshman dorms walking up the hill.
towards the stadium and about a third of them maybe were turning to the right towards the stadium and two thirds were going left towards the libraries. And just thinking, man, if we could just get them here, what we could build. ⁓ And then I think at that point, just how impossible it seemed, and I wasn't even trying to get to whatever level, I just wanted to keep going and to succeed and all the reasons why I loved competing as a coach. ⁓
the NCAA coaches convention for football coaches. College coaches, most of the coaches in the country used to go to it and the staff I was on, just started coaching. They were coaching an all-star game, I wasn't with them. So I kind of went to the coaching convention, the national convention, pretty much by myself, maybe with one or two other people that I knew. The rest of the staff hadn't gotten there yet.
8,000, 10,000, 15,000, I don't know how many coaches are there and it's one of these huge hotels that puts on these big conventions and it was in wherever it was, Dallas maybe that first year, Nashville, somewhere in, I remember standing in the lobby and you had thousands and thousands of coaches and I was young and it really wasn't a good place for anyone with any tendency for anxiety to be because...
I'm watching and I'm thinking, goodness, it's just a roar of people talking, these coaches catching up. I'm thinking, man, they all know each other and they're all talking. I'm supposed to be here like networking to find a job. I don't know anybody. Like I'll never move on in this.
in this profession and then now if you pause and you look back at just the great years I've had coaching, I've coached 31 years of football, 13 in college, 17 in the NFL, one in high school with my son, just all the things we've gone through, the successes.
Curt Cronin (08:58)
Amazing.
Bill Lazor (09:09)
what it's given our family to be able to experience so many of these things. it's, I guess I still don't think of it as inevitable. think, man, I can't believe we've been blessed so much and it's happened.
Curt Cronin (09:23)
When did you know coaching as a profession was a calling for you? it was it when you were a player went like the leadership you got to play in the on the field? How did you know you had that tug? Because again, when I met you, you were already larger than life and it was fasting. To be able to, you know, for anyone that hasn't been in one of those locker rooms to be able to command a presence that that that calls forth attention is a superpower, right? Because you have to emanate and it has to be
leadership to me is people will only follow someone if they know it gets them to a greater outcome than they get to on their own. And when you have incredible athletes, just like incredible seals, like the desire for autonomy and not to surrender is pretty extraordinary. And so when did you know you had that call? And when when did you kind of feel that tug?
Bill Lazor (10:14)
I don't think I would say I felt it while I was playing, I think as my college career ended.
Many people I was trying to figure out what's next, applied for some grad schools. And when there was an entry level position open to stay at Cornell, my coaches there asked, hey, would you like to do this? it was that first year of being a coach in an entry level position and seeing it happen. And I think for me, not only was it the thing I knew the most about probably because I-
been so in deep, being a quarterback and just loving the strategy of the game and then seeing that what it did is it gave you a chance to continue to compete. Even though physically I wasn't at the point to do it, but as a coach you could compete. So I think that's first year really got me hooked and I loved it. And again, I thought, man, I'm stuck at this place.
smaller level of football. But now when you look back, because I was there and what we did there, developed my ability to coach. Maybe if I was somewhere else and I was just doing menial tasks watching other people coach, I wouldn't have become...
coach I am, but because in that early part of my career, I was really able to do more and do more and develop things and try things. That's really where it built. And then I think later, and probably we'll get to it at some point, but...
The other aspect of coaching, not just the competing part of it and the desire to win a championship, but the other aspect where you're in a position now to really have a great influence on other people's lives. I think that probably part of it grew over time. And there were some things maybe that happened that helped me realize that that also was part. And both of those things together will be part of what's next, I think.
I think I was at the University of Buffalo, so maybe I was eight or nine years into coaching and we weren't very good, so maybe that was part of it. We were trying to take a smaller level program and move it forward into Division I. But I also at the time wasn't feeling as fulfilled probably in what I was doing.
I'm probably now looking back, I wasn't maybe looking at it the right way. And so I even questioned, I wanna keep coaching? this the right thing? ⁓ Our priest hooked me up with someone that worked at the Buffalo Diocese for the Catholic Church.
in HR and so I met with him just casually at one point and he was, was again, I was just questioning, am I doing the right thing here? I felt like I got a bunch of gifts and talents and am I using them? And he went through kind of ⁓ a flow chart of all the people that work for the diocese, know, and this person and... ⁓
to this job you need a theology degree, and for this job you kind of need a social work degree or education, you know. And so he's going through and I'm thinking, yeah, none of this really is what is right. And then he just stopped and he looked at me and he said, do you realize that every... ⁓
pastoral minister and youth minister that we have would love to be in the position you're in because at the end of the school day all these college students are coming to you and they want to be there with you. Like you have an unbelievable opportunity to have an impact on your life and then on their life and then he just kind of went on with it and I thought.
That just hit me and he probably never realized what he did, it changed my perspective and it added that second part for me in the job. It's not just the competing one that won a championship, but.
man, I'm in a position to really affect the lives of some young people. And in the NFL, they're a little bit older than that sometimes. You have a little bit different kind of range or a wider range of the ages and the people whose lives you can affect. So I think that second part probably grew over time. ⁓
Curt Cronin (14:43)
And I look not only the impact of, well, one, I love the awareness you're calling out when it shifted, right? From an awareness that you were helping them to compete to an awareness that he brought forth in you of, ⁓ you're shaping the lives of young people. They look forward to that which they're learning from you. And then I look at, for me, it was always amazing standing on the field.
stands with I don't know 30 50,000 people, and how many people would be inspired by seeing a collective of a team come together to do something that's impossible, they know how good the other team is. And so to be able to pull off a drive, right, a series of successes, like, you know, to me, that's the, they go home and get to do that drive in life, right? Okay, I'm going to go overcome a series of 13 to 15.
obstacles in my life this year because I saw what one can do another can do and that's what I found so inspiring because football potentially more than any other sport is such a team sport right like then and like you when you remember you taught me about explosive plays like there's six to eight plays that are going to shape the course of the game and it really comes down to everybody doing their job.
Bill Lazor (15:56)
So when you look at the football aspect of all the impossible situations you felt at the time, well, let me go back to this. You're talking about inspiring the crowd. ⁓ Sometimes you have to guard yourself against worrying about the crowd. I shouldn't say sometimes. You have to guard yourself against that. I'll give you some examples, ⁓ even some that happened there in Miami.
Curt Cronin (16:15)
Ha ⁓
Bill Lazor (16:25)
I think about the 2007 season at the time it was the Washington Redskins, right? It's a football team in Washington. I worked for Joe Gibbs. I've worked for Hall of Fame coaches. He was already in the Hall of Fame because he had retired and come out of it. This was well before you and I met. And we thought we had a good team going into the season and it was, I ⁓ know there are other sports that play.
100 games, you know, throughout the season. And football, really, you're one a week. One time I was coaching a college and we had this big alumni booster who was giving the coaches a hard time about being nervous for a game. He said, oh, you guys are nervous for this game. He said, look, I'm trading every day. I could gain and lose millions of dollars every single day. And so why are you nervous for this? You know, one of the coaches said, yeah, but.
you at the time we were at, had a 10 game season. said, you get to trade again the next day. It's like, just imagine if you only got to trade 10 days a year. And you spent all year prepping, researching, and then one day a week you traded and then you were done for the year. He's like, that's kind of, you know, we have to pack it all in. So, ⁓ but the NFL season is a much longer season than college. So you go through the ups and downs and we were, we were kind of in the heat of it. And this was.
2007 and we played a away game on a Sunday. got back, we came into work Monday morning. Sean Taylor, the safety from the University of Miami that we had drafted, he was injured and didn't make the trip with us. And unbeknownst to us, he decided to fly back to Florida to spend the night in his house in Miami.
We found out Monday morning that while he was there, someone broke in and he was shot. Then Tuesday morning when we came into work, found out that he didn't make it, that he had passed away. just the devastation for that to happen in season, football so regimented as you've seen. And this is how we do it, this is how we get ready for a game every week. And to have that kind of tragedy get in the middle of it, and there's no stopping.
Right, so the next weekend we played on Sunday night and then we were scheduled to play Thursday, but Sean's funeral was Monday. So we played Sunday night, the whole team flew Monday to Miami for the funeral and the NFL didn't change anything. I mean, we're playing Thursday, know, and it was devastating to coach as players. then ⁓ Thursday night we were playing the Bears and we...
In the second quarter of the game, Jason Campbell was our starting quarterback and Jason got hurt. He hurt his knee. I remember standing on the sideline. I have a picture in my office of before the game on the sideline, me and the three quarterbacks that we had because I had given a pregame sideline pass to my priest and he kind of had a, he was close to my age. He's a younger guy, I guess at the time I was younger. ⁓
He liked photography, so he had borrowed his awesome lens from someone just to be on the field pregame and took a great picture of us. ⁓ But that night then when Jason got hurt, I remember staying on the sideline thinking, what else can go wrong? How could it get any lower? So Todd Collins was our backup. Todd was... ⁓
veteran he'd been around but hadn't really played in a long time and and tide goes in and throws two touchdowns and we win the game and It was a Thursday night game. So at that point as coaches as you know, Curt we're working you know in early in the morning and I might be at work until Midnight 1 a.m. 2 a.m. Depending on the day and then I'm back in you know at my desk 7 o'clock the next morning just rolling and grinding no days off so ⁓
At that point after the game that weekend, think everyone needed that time a couple days off to relax emotionally. Everyone was just so spent after losing Sean. And then so we come back and now Todd's gonna be the starter because our starter was her at quarterback. And Todd hadn't started a game in 10 years in the NFL. And I was coaching the quarterbacks and I was really excited for Todd and for us, I just thought like,
how he performed when he went in the game. There was some personal pride that I helped prep him and make sure even though he wasn't repping that much in practice and getting ready, I had him ready. And so we come off the field Friday and we're getting ready to play the Giants at the Giants and he calls me, go and he had gotten to the locker room and on his phone was a message from his wife. She was up in Boston. She just went into labor. I'm like, no.
I got to do another, another thing. You so at that point, I'm like, this is just, I guess it's just not our time, you know, in a year, like it just piling up. So I think football wise, the impossible things that go in front of you. Well, this was probably one or two o'clock on a Friday and our meeting the next morning, our quarterback meeting was probably 10 30 in the morning. And then we meet and do some stuff as a team and get on a plane to go. Well, long story short, I mean,
The owner put, I went to Coach Gibbs, he went to the owner, the owner put Todd on a plane, flew him to Boston, limoed to that hospital, baby, back in the limo, back on the plane. We're high-fiving them in that 10 o'clock quarterback meeting and we go on to win the rest of our games for the season into the playoffs and then we finally lost in the playoffs. But I remember, I think in football, one of the things you learn is,
Curt Cronin (22:29)
Unbelievable.
Bill Lazor (22:39)
There really is very little impossible, you know, and you've seen it with a team, the size of our team, with what you're trying to put together all the time and the momentums that are gonna go against you and then back for you. You know, I think over and over we've proven that it wasn't impossible, you know, and so I think a lot of it is... ⁓
stories that have to do with the wins and losses of the season and at the time they're great. I think for me the
I think the harder thing, it's hard to say it's impossible, but the thing that I looked at at times, maybe I had to do with when I was in Buffalo and thinking about is this really the right thing for me, has a lot more to do with going through this lifestyle with the family. To me, that was the thing that...
If I was kept up at night, it was about that. I had the number now, I can't remember. think it's the 14th or 15th house or place we've lived in. My son went to ⁓ four preschools. The kids were born in three different states. At one point, he had gone to four preschools and four different elementary schools.
Curt Cronin (24:00)
Wow.
Bill Lazor (24:11)
You know, just he was our oldest and just at that point in our life when we were moving so much. so he's in college now. We got one in high school, one in middle school. And it's easy to say for me and Nicole that this is going to be a great adventure. But, know, when you're dealing with these ages and all the things that already are on their plate and cause stress and.
you're trying to protect them from or teach them with and now you're adding in all this moving around and what we've had to do to be successful in this profession. To me that's the thing you look at, I look at and say man can we do this. I remember being at, it was a point I was coaching in college and ⁓ we had two of the three kids at the time and
I went to in recruiting went to watch this quarterback throw
And so he was going to, was in the springtime and he was going to, his team was going to have this practice a little bit later in the day. And so a whole, his coach had made it known, Hey, this quarterback is going to be throwing at the practice this day. So if you guys want to come in and see him throw. So a whole bunch of coaches from all over the country were there to watch him throw. He's a big time recruit. And so we got there early, went to the school, spent time with the coach and then had some time before their practice started. And there was a baseball game. So just with nothing to do, it just sat down in the stands and I sat next to a
coach
who I knew who he was that we never met before but he like me had coached in the NFL he coached longer than me in the NFL and was now back to coaching in college and so we just sat and talked he said he had a ⁓ child who was developmentally disabled and he was talking about why he was coaching in college and not in the NFL
And he had the statistic, I wouldn't remember the number, the statistic of the percentage of parents who have this level of disability of a child that they're dealing with, the percentage of those parents who are divorced. It was amazing. And then he also had, I don't know if it's an official statistic, but the percentage of NFL coaches who are divorced.
And he said, I looked at those two numbers and I put them together. And I thought, well, I'm not doing that. The odds are against me. He said, so I just thought coaching in college, which maybe today, maybe it's not more stable than what the NFL is, the way things change. I just remember being, sometimes you feel like you're up against, I felt like we were up against that. Obviously I was blessed number one with Nicole and her.
Curt Cronin (26:39)
Mm-hmm.
Bill Lazor (27:01)
willingness and her strength. she's most likely the most high agency person I know. ⁓ I worked for Mike Holmgren in Seattle in the NFL. He'd won a Super Bowl. When I first got there working with him, ⁓ there was a surprise 60th birthday party.
for Coach Holmgren and we kind of had him at a hotel. We were gathered with a tent on the shores of Lake Washington and they had told him he was just going go out to dinner and buy a boat with his kids and they came in and we surprised them. I just remember one of his daughters getting up and talking about him and the way she talked about him, what she said. And later during the season,
Monday or Tuesday night, one of the nights we were working late, Coach Holmgren and I were the first two to sit down to dinner together. And I thought, okay, here's my chance to say, coach, can I ask you a question? It's somewhat professional, somewhat personal. said, Bill, ask me anything. I said, all right, I was at your birthday party and I heard what your daughter said about you. I've seen the success you've had.
Did you feel and do you feel like you were able to be the coach you wanted to be and the husband and father that
So that was a pretty personal question, you know? And he said, absolutely. He said, I think when you do it, you're have to make some tough choices with your time. And we talked about it, but the one thing that he said really struck me and stuck with me, said, I think whenever I wasn't able to be at home, my kids knew that I wanted to be at
So it kind of, felt, cause I felt like, if this guy says, no, I couldn't do it, then like, what am I doing? You know, cause if it, but, but it really was, it was great, great encouragement for me. And the kids have had to deal with some stuff that most people don't, not just the moving. mean, I know you've got plenty, like yourself, plenty of military people maybe moved as many times as we have. So most not probably, but, some have.
Curt Cronin (29:22)
I think your velocity beats everybody. Well, sir, you've hit so many amazing things. Let me, I just want to catch you a couple. First, I think most people believe you have to move the impossible to inevitable is like the big things, right? It's like there's some big miracle that happens at some moment. It's that explosive play. And I think you just articulated brilliantly that it comes down to the smallest of things and can the, the off field things. I mean, one of the reasons I transitioned out of the seal community was like I had deployed 13 times in 13 years and
Bill Lazor (29:24)
Yeah, we have quite a few.
Curt Cronin (29:52)
my wife was pregnant with my first and I said, Hey, just let me get home for the birth. And, and I was literally on the way at the airport like to fly back. And I got the call like, Hey, no, they're not letting you come back. Right. And, and like you, I'm a huge fan of marrying up and, and, you know, the pregnancy did not go well. And it was one of those things I realized like, ⁓ I taken away the option to support.
that which is most important to me, my wife. And you know, the fact that you've got the franchise waiting on this quarterback, he gets the call and you're like, go, right? And like you went up the chain of command and, and, go. And he knew now, Hey, this is, this is my team. This is my family. They have chosen the intimate relationships and it was the principles. was not the quote best thing for the organization.
But this is the paradox that I feel most are afraid to live is by doing the right thing for him. It seemingly was sacrificing the potential for that game in that season. And the end, now that you'd supported the individual, you'd supported the dyad, the team now knew this community, this leadership team has our back. And that's what allows people to not just show up transactionally, but to really show up.
with their full selves saying, this is my community and now I can do anything. And so to me, that's the embodiment of what you articulated there, consciously or unconsciously. That's the thing that I witnessed from you. Like every extraordinary thing I've ever seen any team do is because someone did the little thing. I was reading the Gallup poll and there's one question that determines whether someone's a flight risk for an organization or whether they'll stay forever.
And it's not about pay. it's but it was it was whether they click yes or no on the question of someone in this interest has my professional future and development. Like as as a key part of their plan, right, like someone is interested in me, I feel seen, heard and understood. And that's the part where all of sudden everything changes. And so we started with football, but then let's click down because I think I think it was like halfway through the season, like game six or seven, it was a home game.
And I happened to come over to your house ahead of the game. I'd been, I was new to this world living and getting to be a guest viewing the world through your eyes. And remember when I walked into the house and there's all of this chaos pregame and like, you know, 20 hour days and all this. And I walked in and instantly I was like, ⁓ and I'd never met Nicole before, but like I walked into your sanctuary, right? And it was
calm and it was peaceful and like, you, have built the sanctuary that gives you the armor to then go back out into the world and do what's yours to do. But the inner core was this unbelievable sanctuary, getting to your kids, getting to your wife. And so, mean, think you just brilliantly articulated that component of like, Hey, you know, through, ⁓ you spoke about it with another coach, but that was my experience of like the foundation that you'd built at home was that core that allowed you to then expand out and serve others.
So I'd love anything more about that, the dedication you've had to build that core.
Bill Lazor (33:15)
Well,
yeah, it's not always easy, right? It's easier to look back and say, yeah, we did it, but ⁓ it's not easy. And there's going to be casualty.
among, you know, ma'am, like I said, my daughters are in high school and middle school, so let's protect them a little bit with the stories, like we tried to. You know, my son's older now, so I think you could talk about some of the stuff that he's had to deal with, good and bad. Right, so he went to four preschools, four elementary schools. His fourth elementary school, ⁓ usually we would move.
February, April, May, you know, whenever I would get the new job, I'd move and then we'd get things going and then they would come. And so finally we were at the point where he was older. So Nicole said, let's finish out the school year. Part of me thinks maybe she just didn't really want to leave Miami at the time to move to Cincinnati. But anyway, we finished the school year. We go to Cincinnati. That was our, yeah, anyway.
Curt Cronin (34:22)
Happy wife, happy life.
Bill Lazor (34:27)
She jokes that that was the two-year vacation, but it was not a vacation for me, as you know. ⁓ So he goes to elementary school. think it was his last year of elementary school. We moved to a district where sixth grade was still in elementary. And his teacher had been, told my wife, he he told Nicole, said, I've been ⁓ teaching a long time. It's the first time ever.
on the first day of school, I've had a kid come in, walk up to me, shake my hand and introduce himself to me. And we just laughed it, but normally he was used to it being April 13th and he's the new kid walking in, so he's got to introduce himself. he just happened to be the first day of school like everyone, but that's just what he knew. so...
We were in Miami with you. was 2015, so head coach had been fired. The second game of the season, head coach had not been fired yet, but we had a really rough game against, we were 1-0 going in and we had a really rough game against the Bills. And lots of reasons why.
But we were not good on offense, we were bad. And so after the game, there would be a little room where the families could kind of wait. And Nolan was in elementary school, so he had buddies there with the other coaches and staff, their kids, and they'd play. And so we get in the car, and at the time, I don't really feel the need to do this anymore, but at the time, I would somehow get there. maybe you gave me a ride to one of these games. So then Nicole and I just had one car to go home.
she could maybe have a little thing of bourbon for me while I'm sitting in the front seat. And if it took 35 minutes in the traffic or 40 minutes to get home, I can have a bourbon for the first 15 minutes and then take a nap for the rest of the way home. Just my little unwind at the time. Again, I can wait to get home now. I'm a little more mature. But as we got in the car, ⁓
there was a kind of a protected lot for the players and the coaches. But to leave, to get to the gates and then the entrance to the highway, you kind of had to go around the stadium. so Nicole's driving, I'm sitting in the passenger seat and Nolan's in the back seat. He was the only one. Again, he was probably in fourth or fifth grade, I think. And fans are still kind of crossing the street, so she had to stop, let's...
stop, let's them pass. And at one point we stop and one of the fans comes right to the window, like nose almost on the window and said, hey, it's Bill Lazor. And just screams, you know, it's all your F and fault. You know, and so eventually she pulls up to the next and then.
And again, it happens. We had to stop to wait, let some fans pass and someone, you know, screams into the car at me, you know, you suck or whatever. Fine. Yeah. Like that's where, that's kind of how it happened. You know, usually on the sideline, you don't, you just kind of block it out, but it was hard to block it out when it was right eight inches away. Right. So she gets onto the highway and no one says, I left my, whatever it was at the time.
I wasn't a phone, but he had some device, you know, this was the beginning of all these devices. I left it in the room, but I said, that's fine. Nicole had me call one of the other wives who was still in the room. Yep, here it is. It's sitting right on the bench. We left it. Give it to your husband. Have him give it to me tomorrow. And okay, so we're another five minutes. We're driving. I've probably started drinking the bourbon and.
I hear Nolan crying in the backseat. And I said, Nolan, I just talked to Ryan's wife, Mr. Ryan's wife. She's going to bring it in. You'll have it by tomorrow night. Of course, Nicole looks at me and she said, Bill, that's not why he's crying. You know, I just, I just, obviously I was dealing with people eight inches away cursing at me about it's my fault that we just lost this game terribly.
you know, but.
selfishly wasn't thinking about the one in the backseat and what he just witnessed, you know, and then a couple weeks later, you remember the trip to London and our head coach been fired on the way back or when we got back. And so when the head coach is fired, generally everyone is going to be fired. And there are a couple exceptions, but it was kind of like, ⁓
I kind of took, because the message that was given to me that week was, okay, we decided the best thing for the team was to keep you as the offensive coordinator. you know, I kind of, felt like, I think was it when the soldiers were evacuating Saigon at the end.
you know, the commanding officer just made them all write letters home and ask them that I'm dead. It's over. And it just took the stress away. Like, okay, now that we're dead, we know we're dead, let's do our job. And they did it. You know, I kind of felt like that's where we were. Like, I know what's going to happen here, guys. I'm not going to say it out loud, but I can do this. This is what I do. I'm going to do it great. But we were kind of living in that moment a little bit. I think, you know, I remember at the time thinking of people who thought that this is how it's going to be. It's not going to be this way for long. I could tell by how they told me I'm staying.
for now. So anyway, we were going and we played the Texans about three weeks later and just we had scored 41 points in the first half of the game and we just crushed them and won the game handily and people were cheering and yelling and as Nicole, she told me was as she and Nolan were walking down the stadium to meet me afterwards and she said just always remember these are the same people.
that four weeks ago were yelling what they yelled to your father in the window. Same people who now are this, yelling this. Now we were in Cincinnati, Nolan was pitching in a little league game. was in middle school, ⁓ sixth or seventh or eighth grade, and he was pitching. And ⁓ we were out kind of in the country and a family was sitting with their lawn chairs right behind home plate. And this grandmother was crushing him. I mean crushing him.
his pitchers got nothing. I mean, extremely personal right to him. And so eventually the umpire who was an older and veteran guy, he made them move. He went to the home team's coach and said, they can't be there. They got to move. You know.
And so then there was a lightning delay and he, the umpire came over and was talking to me and the coach and I was standing at the fence with the coach while waiting for the game to restart and he was laughing. said, I can't believe, he your pitcher, they were yelling at him and he was looking over, smiling and laughing. And the coach said, well, you got to understand who his father is and what he has witnessed and what he has seen. know, and so he just.
Curt Cronin (41:55)
Yeah.
Bill Lazor (42:05)
He just, he saw me do it, right? So, so he handled it. And then even, yeah, yeah.
Curt Cronin (42:08)
mean, it's unbelievable witness to the obstacles the way, right? Like the hardship
that he witnessed you take on gave him the courage to then do the same. I mean, what a gift.
Bill Lazor (42:19)
We had a worse
one. We had a worse one, Curt. It was 2021. It was in Chicago.
There's a lot to the story, but just when we're just talking about him and the family, like in how you get to where you are. there was this, Nolan was in high school and we weren't doing well and...
I guess at a high school football game, the head coach's son experienced that the fans were chanting about our head coach, Matt Nagy, know, fire Nagy. And so Nolan's playing a basketball game and I'm sitting in the stands and he gets fouled. He's probably a junior, yeah, junior in high school. And as he goes to the free throw line, the student section from the other team.
starts chanting fire laser fire laser and there's going on and on. So he's at the free throw line and my heart just sinks. He's looking up at me in the stands thinking about me.
Nicole and the girls were doing something and they were coming to the game. So I'm just thinking, don't want the girls here to witness this. And so I'm just glad that they hadn't gotten there yet. And I'm thinking about like this isn't right. mean, he's just trying to play a high school basketball game, whatever.
however, you know, old he was 16 or 17 or 16 and probably at the time and Afterwards we talked I said, okay a couple things first if if
If that happens again, you have 100 %
100 % permission to take somebody out. Like anything you do, there are no ramifications physically. If you feel like you need to make a point physically, you got my permission to do it. I said, but you know, just remember this is why we're better than these other people. Because of what you've had to go through. Like people don't go through that all the time where they're trying to play high school basketball game and people are giving them that kind of.
kind of grief. said, so it's just, this is who we are and it's why we're going to be who, who, who we are.
Curt Cronin (44:50)
And so it's unbelievable, you know, the thing that at the time I could only perceive as a father you thought was an incredible curse that your son had to see that, right? That he had to see the mistreatment of you from frustrated fans, ⁓ then became his superpower, right? That became the strength in that now this terrible fan could be taunting the worst of things, but he'd already seen his father, his mentor had already.
gone through it and worse and so he could just sit and smile at him. So what an unbelievable, I mean, that's the essence of the resilience that you taught him through your embodied resilience.
Bill Lazor (45:21)
Whoop.
We have worse and we had to do it together. In 2021, we were in Chicago and the season wasn't going well. So the head coach was Matt Nagy and at one of his high school, his son's high school football games, the crowd was chanting about Matt.
as the head coach and so it was later in the season and basketball season started. Nolan was a junior in high school so he was playing basketball and I'm at the game and he gets followed and while he's at the free throw line the student section from the other team starts chanting fire laser fire laser like the whole student section is chanting. ⁓
He looks is looking up at me. My heart just sinks. I'm glad at the time Nicole was with the girls somewhere and was bringing them to the game. I was glad they weren't there yet for the girls to have to see it, but he's looking up at me. ⁓ He's worried about me. I'm worried about him. I'm thinking this this like someone shouldn't have to go through this while he's just trying to play high school. He's 16 years old. Yeah.
Curt Cronin (46:43)
in high school, 16
years old having to deal with societal issues.
Bill Lazor (46:47)
So after the game, we just talked about it and we told the girls and we just said, just remember, this is why we're better than them. The people that are gonna chant at me while you're out there trying to play, we're better than them. And I did give him a liberty, I gave him a-
I said if that happens again and you feel the need to take somebody out physically, I was like, do it. You will not get in trouble. You have 100 % permission if it makes you feel better. If they do that, which he has great restraints, so he never did. But to watch them have to go through that, at least we can come through it. And I'm sure the girls have dealt with things in school. Usually they'll come home and tell me that, my...
Teacher found out what you do and he's really a big Texans fan, know, and wants to tell, they still tell me the positives from it, but I'm sure they get their negatives also when we don't win. But I can see how he's come out the other side. So the impossible was just our family. Are we gonna be able to move 14 times for 14 different houses and the kids deal with some of these issues? But.
Now it's easy. Again, we're in the midst, nothing's perfect, and we're in the midst of all kinds of stuff. Like every family, you know, with ages 11 to 20 kids, you know, at home. But you know, yeah.
Curt Cronin (48:15)
I just just looked into my third teenager. Yeah. Yes.
Bill Lazor (48:19)
But one thing that for all us I can see is we're way closer, a way closer family because of it. All the times when we've moved and now that we get there at the end of the summer and the kids don't know anyone, they have no friends. So I mean, for us to sit down and do things together as a family and to be close, and I credit Nicole with it more than anything because so often I'm working those 18 hour days, 20 hour days. So she's dealing with way more of it than I've had to. But when I see what it's done for our family, how close
we've become because of it. And when I see the maturity level of the kids, as you've probably seen it in the military, not everyone comes out of those kind of moves easily. We're fighting still, but we've gone through some stuff because of it. We've had great blessings because of the job.
There's some, the kids have had to take some hits and some casualties, which is what I regret. That it's not just me that they have to take some too.
Curt Cronin (49:25)
And mean, you're embodying the most powerful lesson as a parent. And we want to shield them from everything. But in the end, like having them be part of it with you and being able to see someone told me that if people know that there are three generations and they perception that things were always good, then that doesn't give them resilience. But what gives them resilience is knowing that there's in their lineage, there's been good times and bad times in the end. Everyone has sustained and.
the resilience that you've carried on a high profile stage is ⁓ beyond extraordinary. And the resilience and the faith, right? The faith is the ability to like, the conviction of things unseen, right? The assurance of things hoped for. And that is the embodiment of what I've seen you carry is that faith and hope.
⁓ that we will get through this and both to your family and to the broader team, right? That's that coherent field that I'll never forget. We were getting ready for our first combat deployment. And so my senior chief, the senior enlisted had been in Bosnia, he'd been in other conflicts and nobody else in platoon had, including me. And I remember we were getting ready for deployment and everyone was expressing.
their fear because they didn't want to be cowards as frustration, right? As like, Hey, this is screwed up. This screwed up, this screwed up. And I'll never forget. We were all sitting in the platoon space. And so like it was all 16 of us. And my senior chief was the last one that walked in. He's like, and he just walked in and he was like, ⁓ that brief was terrible. I just wanted to my wrist. Everybody worried about this. Read about that. Like we're going to go do the thing. That's what we do. Bam. And like you just watched her bait. Like in a second, everyone said, ⁓
I guess we're gonna get rid of that. But it was the most powerful reversal of the fear. When you went straight at it and addressed it, was unbelievable. I watched you do that in rooms across many different domains over our decade plus relationship. And so grateful for that resilience and for that model for all of us of.
And I get tight in the pit of my stomach thinking like, imagine that free throw shot. Yeah. And then imagine no one just smoking a buff.
Bill Lazor (51:47)
Well,
yeah, you said fear. think, you know, well, when we were together in Miami, I know I shared with you before a good friend and mentor ⁓ talked to me about calling plays, you know, and he said, just, yeah, call plays like there's an S on your chest, you know, because if you believe, so you got the headset on.
And you're calling the play as the play caller, offensive coordinator. You hit the button, it allows, there's a one way communication into the quarterback's helmet, right? So you know this, I'm just saying it so that everyone knows. Yeah, so some people think it's back and forth, it's not, it's just a one way communication. And so the quarterback can hear it and at 15 seconds left in the.
Curt Cronin (52:27)
No, please, because it's fascinating. until you know this.
Bill Lazor (52:38)
play clock, it shuts off. So you have from the end of the play up until 15 seconds left to communicate to them. And as you're calling it, the other coaches are also hearing it. So when you call a play, I would tell people, don't worry about the game this week. My wife Nicole packed my Superman t-shirt. So I'm wearing it underneath with that. You got to call the play like it's going to work. And there's something about
When you, just like we teach the quarterback in the huddle, when the way you call the play to the huddle affects how your teammates.
Execute it just like you talked about your chief, know, like when he it wasn't just what he said, right? It was the way he came in and said it and so when you send that play in it's like hey, there's an s on my chest I know what I'm this is gonna work and they can feel that there's a certain energy that goes even just through that that radio from you to the quarterback into the other coaches on their headsets. I mean remember one game it was First the first game of the
15 season we had the lead against Washington. We were in Miami. I don't know if you were at that particular game and head coach said, just run the ball. We're just trying to run the clock out. And so we called the play and lost a bunch of yards. Oh gosh. And then it was a two minute warning. So we had time to talk about the next play. And then he changed it. He said, okay, do whatever you have to do to get the first down. So now I could throw it, right? And so I had a...
I wanted to call and it was time out so we had a chance as a staff to talk and I said hey what do you guys think of and it was a screen pass and I said it crickets no one said anything right okay class over here we go boom I called it it hit big in essence it it pretty much iced the game for us because it hit big you know as soon as the play was over one of the coaches says Bill great fucking call
I said, oh yeah, now you guys wanna say great call. At the moment, like nobody wanted to say anything. When you're in that position, you gotta go. And it doesn't mean you don't have fear, right? You talked about the fear of everyone sitting in that room. In 2021, before the incident at the basketball game, my greatest fear...
And maybe this will bridge us into what's happening now. But my greatest fear during the season as I was seeing things go badly was that my son had been injured, missed his whole.
sophomore, it was COVID year. So the football season was pushed to the spring and had to have shoulder surgery from a basketball injury. So he missed his whole season of football that spring was limited in playing four months later. He got cleared to play, but couldn't really throw very much because it was his throwing shoulder that was operated on. And so he really missed a lot of football and just knew his dream to play college football. And so as our season was going badly,
What was causing me fear was if we get fired as a staff, Nicole's already said he's staying here for a senior year. And now I'm thinking if I have to leave and go take a job somewhere else, ⁓ I'm gonna miss this. Like I'm gonna miss the senior year, you know, and...
when I think back, did I ever let that fear affect how I was coaching? I'm a human, so I probably did at times. I remember an acquaintance of mine who really didn't even know me that much, he texted me one morning, maybe it was 5.30 in the morning. I was probably working out before work and he said, hey, you're gonna get a phone call here between six and 6.15 from a number with this California area code, answer it.
I remember being in the locker room, I just got out of shower and it rang. And it was a very famous, well-known person who really didn't know me. And I didn't know that this acquaintance of mine saw some of what I was going through. I had no idea he did. ⁓ And this guy talked to me probably for five minutes and I guess you would say it was spiritual pep talk. And the acquaintance must have really known because...
What this guy said to me was so on of what I needed to hear. And the biggest thing he said to me at the time was, know, do you really think you're going through anything that God doesn't know you're going through? And if you believe what you believe about God and His all-powerfulness and all-knowing, like...
He already knows you're doing this. It just helped change my perspective and push aside some of that fear. Because I think if there's anything that I don't want, and again, for me the fear was just dealing with my family. wasn't if we were gonna get fired, if we were gonna lose the game, I'm not gonna deal with that. That's gonna happen over time. ⁓ But the fear is not, if you have faith.
you should be able to put that aside, right? And it's easy to talk about faith and look back at it. But in the moment, when you're going through those times of stress, that's when the faith really, really gets tested. And I think recently, so we're in this point where I think amazing things are happening. I can't tell you what it is, what's next.
trying to focus on right now, but right now just amazing things are happening. And with the girls and their age, we could still deal with that same situation of what if the tumult of jobs is going to cause us to spend whatever amount of time away, which it does sometimes when we change jobs and stuff. a month or so ago, I thought Nicole did even better for me than what that guy had done on the phone that day.
Because she in essence gave me license, permission not to fear that again.
her high agency and her strength and her faith of, this, because we were going through some possible job changes at the time. And that's when the fear can be the greatest of what's this gonna do our family. And she said, hey, if that happens,
gonna get through this.
She already had a plan for dealing with it with faith.
Curt Cronin (59:29)
I that faith from your partner, right, from your dyadic partner, I remember I was being investigated by the SEC and my wife and I were laying in bed one night and I knew that
she loves rules and so the fact that I could be investigated by a governing body to her was, ⁓ it's terrifying, it was the worst of it. And then she just said, hey, I you did the right thing.
And like that, that to me was that that was that free agency, you know, to be able to say, okay, if you believe me, I'm, off to the races and it changed everything. And so you've done such incredible things and gone through such incredible experiences. I'd love to know, and this is, it's just, the most fun part about doing this podcast is like, you know, this is
Bill Lazor (1:00:05)
That's right.
Curt Cronin (1:00:21)
We've had so many trans emotional conversations and even this one like layers upon layers. never he would ever know. I've sensed the strength in you, but not the layers of what you've gone through to get there. So I'd love for you to share what what's ⁓ what are you leaning into now? What's what's you know, the next frontier that you're leaning into that anyone that's on can help give you that five minute call of hey, here's how I can support you and make the next next thing inevitable.
Bill Lazor (1:00:48)
when I look back to that 2021 season and then and then we did get fired at the end of the season, I ended up not getting another.
job and so because Nolan was going be a senior in high school we said, we're staying here and I helped coach him. I was the assistant quarterback coach for Vernon Hills High School. I had to go through background check and everything to do it. I got paid no money from them. But just like you said it, I've said before the obstacle becomes the way, right?
It ended up and all that fear I had that fall, right? I ended up having probably the greatest year of my life. There's probably one or two in contention with it, but certainly professionally it was the least glamorous of any of my professional jobs. Yet it was the greatest coaching year I've ever had. I got to coach my son and be there all the time. I was there for the girls all the time, but coming out of that then I knew.
as much as I was enjoying it, in the back of your head there's always this well.
I'm have to get back in at some point and it's always harder when you're out of a job to get the next job. So there was definitely some stress at times about, what's gonna be the next job? Where are we gonna go? And all that fear I had from the fall, if I had just known I was gonna have an unbelievable year coaching my son and then I'm gonna get this job with the Texans, it's not the same job I've had before. was a job more in a support role. My title's senior offensive assistant. I don't feel senior, but I guess I am. ⁓
I won't say it has anything to do with age, hopefully. ⁓ But it was a job where I, for two years now I've done it, I felt like I'm not really using all of maybe the gifts and talents that I have totally that I've been able to use before,
So a lot of things were up in the air and for 31 years of coaching, I've coached on offense, right? And so at the end of this time of change and some of the staff changed, the head coach came to me. He said, I know this isn't
what you wanted to hear, said, but what would you think of moving to defense? He said, and I think as the senior offensive assistant, you could help me. And we talked about some ways and man, it really was not what I was looking to hear. And so.
We had a long weekend, I took some days, and finally on Sunday before we went back I called him. I said, you know, coach, said for about two days or so I thought of every reason and way that I was going to tell you how much I disagree with what you're doing.
what you're talking about doing. I said, then I figured you probably already know that. And he laughed. He said, yeah, I know. And I said, well, hey, I'm gonna do what you want me to do. And we just talked about how I'm gonna do it better than anyone's ever done it. And this is the way forward now. from that moment, when I had that acceptance that, okay, now I'm taking this path forward, so many things.
have changed. mean, I remember talking to you one time about, you know, learn, we're always learning, right? And I think you're at this point in your life where you're, you think about constant learning and you think about growing and visually I think of it as like going up, you know, growing. Then at some point, and it may be it's different for everyone, but at some point you reach this level of awareness.
Right? And I think at one point you said to me, it's like, like you've arrived. doesn't mean you're done, but you've arrived. And I think some of it is an awareness of my identity, right? And who I am and who I was created to be and what God's calling me to be. And so all that you're learning is to me at some point that growth, it stops going up and now the learning is expanding.
and it's going out. It's taking in more, more people, more things, different aspects. So now as I go forward, because I accepted to do this different job, I feel like I'm learning more professionally.
rather than doing the same thing that I just done for two more years, maybe now under a new offensive coordinator, I've, I'm learning more by seeing the opposite side of perspective, looking at the defense and the conversations I'm having with the defensive coaches. And part of my notes is, okay, this is how I'm going to help them, help the team defensively from an offensive perspective. But then a whole nother set of notes are okay when I go back at some point to being the offensive coach again.
The weapon system that I'm gaining from seeing it from their perspective is unbelievable. Some of it is verifying things I already knew. Now I know why I thought that was the case. Some of it is totally new. I can't believe how much pressure we can put on the defense by doing such and such. Now that I see it from that way, hey, just keep reminding myself to take good notes. And some of the other things that have happened are...
are not football related, but it's almost as if because I made that acceptance and I removed again the stress and the fear of what the future is gonna hold because I'm taking a different path. I'm not worried. Like maybe I was a little more worried back in 2022. Okay, now because I'm coaching my son in high school, I got this little bit of fear. How am gonna get back in? Zero fear.
Right, so maybe I've just matured in those few years as far as the faith of it's gonna happen. Whatever's gonna happen is, God's got me, He's gonna take care of me. So I can just dig all into learning, having a different perspective. So now I've also found, like in my spiritual life, the learning and the new perspectives are opening up.
without me even really, I'm not gonna say I'm not trying, I'm trying the same as I've always tried. I worked with a chaplain once on a team. I remember him telling me, he said that one of his mentors had told him, if you get up and preach and all of the stories you tell in your preaching are from a long time ago, you got a problem.
If things aren't happening to you right now spiritually that you can use in your sermons, you might be on the wrong path. Right? And so I've had some things happen recently and I just think, God, thank you for letting this happen now because it just shows me I'm maybe I'm kind of on the path.
Curt Cronin (1:07:59)
I love you living the roomy quote of when you're on the path, the path disappears and, and, know, the courage and resilience you've always had, but the next level of surrender. I mean, I, I, we've talked about how many, many of our journeys in life have been parallels. I remember, you know, I trained my entire life in the seals for offense, seven straight years. I love offense. I love stacking the odds in my favor. love
going at zero to 12 37 in morning, mobile absolute weakness, stacking aircraft in 12 to 38,000 feet. Just like I watched you build the offense, bringing 150 degrees rain worries. Cause I want to bring the boys home. then 15 days in my first combat deployment, my 45, I think, but like my boss is like, Hey, you're going on defense. Like you're going to protect the president of Iraq and we're going to, we're going to have you walk with them 24 seven on the X instead of getting to be in 15 minutes for a peak state. And I remember.
I went straight to victim like, wait, time out. I don't do defense, right? Like the head, I do defense. Yeah. And then realized, okay, if I'm a victim, it's not going to work. Right. And so, okay, how do I give up blame? And now pull all that decision making up to me. And of course I can't do it all. And so.
Finally had to realize, for good at offense, we just think about how we could attack something and then we'll defend against that. And, and from there switched into how do we now switch from that control mindset into giving up control, the hardest thing for achievers give up. And now it's as me, right. And opportunity comes to me and goes through me to the person most qualified to do it. And all of a sudden.
our performers exploded because now Forest Croll, my point man, was running the day shift and night was, you know, everyone took different roles and responsibilities, which now allowed us to explode because all the people that are most qualified to do the thing, we're now doing it. And that's that same thing I feel in your path of like, okay, I'm here. And it's unbelievable.
just the joy and the hope that I can sense in you as you expand, continue to expand on this next path, both relationally and professionally and kind of across all domains.
Bill Lazor (1:10:05)
It's exciting. had, yeah, it's almost like it just keeps coming at me. So whether it be in my, the perspective in my morning daily prayers, whether it be in connection with some people, you know, that maybe I hadn't connected with as much recently and how we were able to right now serve each other or whether it be in,
football and my career again, maybe this is the path that I stay on and or maybe it leads to something different, but I don't know. I also have no stress right now about that. I think it's gonna I just have faith. It's always seemed like whatever. Again, I hate to use the word impossible, but now you look back and it's always well, it was inevitable that this was gonna happen. And I just feel like I'm in the midst of that. But now I know.
that it's gonna happen and great things are ahead and I can feel them happening. I think, yeah, I just think it's an exciting time. think if I go back to, okay, ⁓ like why do you coach, right? It's a mix of the competition, right? So what's next? Well, the competition part is championship. I mean, that's... ⁓
the goal, that's where we're headed. And then what goes along with that, right, is the part of just affecting people's lives. And that doesn't get marked on the scorecard the same way on the scoreboard. But as long as I keep the perspective that those are the two reasons why I'm doing this, but it's got a championship and just the chance to really make a difference and affect people.
As long as I hang on to those, not hang on, but as long as I just keep driving forward with those two things professionally, ⁓ that's where we're headed. I can't tell you what it's gonna look like and it's kinda nice not worrying about exactly how it's gonna look.
Curt Cronin (1:12:17)
So you're an inspiration and an unbelievable leader. Anything else you would leave for the audience, for a parting shot? Thank you for your leadership, your gifts, your grace, and your vision.
Bill Lazor (1:12:31)
⁓ I think I thought it was a game changer for me as a play caller. Not that it's always easy, but.
to ⁓ wear that Superman t-shirt below ⁓ my game day outfit. To have a little Superman ass on the corner of the play call sheet. But I don't think it's different.
You know, that level of confidence and just believing that every play is gonna work and the awareness that if I really do believe it, I'm gonna communicate it to those people who are relying on me and they're gonna feel it. They don't just hear my words, they feel it and they feel how I believe. So yeah, just make sure you pack that Superman t-shirt.
Curt Cronin (1:13:24)
got it with me today. Thank you sir. Have an awesome day.
Bill Lazor (1:13:29)
Thank you.
Curt Cronin (1:13:33)
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